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	<title>Comments on: Pop Tarts</title>
	<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/</link>
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		<title>by: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2817</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 22:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Or maybe I'm agreeing with you, because you didn't actually accuse me of anything. 

Shethinks me doth protest too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe I&#8217;m agreeing with you, because you didn&#8217;t actually accuse me of anything. </p>
<p>Shethinks me doth protest too much.
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		<title>by: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2816</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 22:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2816</guid>
					<description>Mel, with love in my heart, I'm going to disagree with you this time, but it's a fair challenge which brings up some good points.

If the pop stars put themselves out there in a promiscuous way, they are going to be discussed. I'm not taking pot shots at how &lt;a&gt;anyone&lt;/a&gt; might behave, or dressing however they want to dress or what they say. I'm not even saying there's anything wrong with it. 

I'm making an observation about how pop stars choose to market themselves. Many women have views about male rap artists' political incorrectness and I would probably agree with them morally but not on artistic merit. I'm a man with views about this as well.

As Tony Blair would say, &quot;let's be absolutely clear&quot;. I'm not telling anyone women how they should or shouldn't be empowered and if anyone does, they can get the hell off my webstie and you can help me get rid of them.

Also, pop tarts &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; a cheap shot, but only because it pop tarts are a nasty breakfast snack, and I think that's the true crime that was committed today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mel, with love in my heart, I&#8217;m going to disagree with you this time, but it&#8217;s a fair challenge which brings up some good points.</p>
<p>If the pop stars put themselves out there in a promiscuous way, they are going to be discussed. I&#8217;m not taking pot shots at how <a>anyone</a> might behave, or dressing however they want to dress or what they say. I&#8217;m not even saying there&#8217;s anything wrong with it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m making an observation about how pop stars choose to market themselves. Many women have views about male rap artists&#8217; political incorrectness and I would probably agree with them morally but not on artistic merit. I&#8217;m a man with views about this as well.</p>
<p>As Tony Blair would say, &#8220;let&#8217;s be absolutely clear&#8221;. I&#8217;m not telling anyone women how they should or shouldn&#8217;t be empowered and if anyone does, they can get the hell off my webstie and you can help me get rid of them.</p>
<p>Also, pop tarts <i>was</i> a cheap shot, but only because it pop tarts are a nasty breakfast snack, and I think that&#8217;s the true crime that was committed today.
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		<title>by: Mel</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2815</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 22:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2815</guid>
					<description>Cliff, I thought the title was a cheap shot, but what do I know?

I don't want it to seem that I think this misguided concept of sexualised behaviour/lyrics is empowering in a postmodern ironic sense or otherwise.  I guess what I take exception to is men discussing women in that way.  I don't see that men are in any position to tell women what they should and shouldn't be doing to feel empowered.  

On a lighter note, wasn't Benny Hill liberating?  Afterall the women were chasing him, how right on can you get?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliff, I thought the title was a cheap shot, but what do I know?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want it to seem that I think this misguided concept of sexualised behaviour/lyrics is empowering in a postmodern ironic sense or otherwise.  I guess what I take exception to is men discussing women in that way.  I don&#8217;t see that men are in any position to tell women what they should and shouldn&#8217;t be doing to feel empowered.  </p>
<p>On a lighter note, wasn&#8217;t Benny Hill liberating?  Afterall the women were chasing him, how right on can you get?
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		<title>by: Ed R</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2810</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't think Jamie Lee is androgynous, I think she's rather sexy to be honest. I think the girls AND boys both do it because they feel like they have to do it to get noticed these days.

Janet Lee was Jamie Lee Curtis' mother- the girl in the Psycho shower.
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang is one of my favorite movies of all time. Ian Fleming and Roald Dahl wrote it! 'Truly Scrumptious...' 'Old Bamboo', 'Toot Sweet'- how much better can you get? Not very! Then toss in Benny Hill and Goldfinger for good measure! ( This film was made by the same team that did the '60s era Bond movies ) 
I'd watch that movie any old time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Jamie Lee is androgynous, I think she&#8217;s rather sexy to be honest. I think the girls AND boys both do it because they feel like they have to do it to get noticed these days.</p>
<p>Janet Lee was Jamie Lee Curtis&#8217; mother- the girl in the Psycho shower.<br />
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang is one of my favorite movies of all time. Ian Fleming and Roald Dahl wrote it! &#8216;Truly Scrumptious&#8230;&#8217; &#8216;Old Bamboo&#8217;, &#8216;Toot Sweet&#8217;- how much better can you get? Not very! Then toss in Benny Hill and Goldfinger for good measure! ( This film was made by the same team that did the &#8217;60s era Bond movies )<br />
I&#8217;d watch that movie any old time.
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		<title>by: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2809</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks Sooz - I took the time.</description>
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		<title>by: sooz</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2807</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Great title :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great title <img src='http://www.thisisthis.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: sooz</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2806</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>No Ed you can't - she's Tony Curtis's daughter and I think her mother's famous too.  And she's androgenous (ish) :) 

It's all 'gettin' down wiv da kids' innit? - the bands touting their image and a almost-risqué lyrics for the kids who see this as  'coolness' - in my day we had a field day with Chitty Chitty Bang Bang because you could say 'shitty' and get away with it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Ed you can&#8217;t - she&#8217;s Tony Curtis&#8217;s daughter and I think her mother&#8217;s famous too.  And she&#8217;s androgenous (ish) <img src='http://www.thisisthis.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all &#8216;gettin&#8217; down wiv da kids&#8217; innit? - the bands touting their image and a almost-risqué lyrics for the kids who see this as  &#8216;coolness&#8217; - in my day we had a field day with Chitty Chitty Bang Bang because you could say &#8217;shitty&#8217; and get away with it!
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		<title>by: Ed R</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2803</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yipe! 

Cliff you didn't done it, I did. 
Mel, I'm sorry. Can I say something about.. um... Jamie Lee Curtis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yipe! </p>
<p>Cliff you didn&#8217;t done it, I did.<br />
Mel, I&#8217;m sorry. Can I say something about.. um&#8230; Jamie Lee Curtis?
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		<title>by: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2800</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>And you see what I've done here? Sod the can, we've got worms on tap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you see what I&#8217;ve done here? Sod the can, we&#8217;ve got worms on tap.
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		<title>by: Mel</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2799</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ed, I'm going to leave it alone because I simply cannot be rational when it comes to anyone saying anything about Madonna.  I may have to find a sharp instrument...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, I&#8217;m going to leave it alone because I simply cannot be rational when it comes to anyone saying anything about Madonna.  I may have to find a sharp instrument&#8230;
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		<title>by: meesteryan</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2794</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>like Cliff in a way, i was questioning what's empowering for someone, irrespective of their sex, about touting their wares in such a manner.

my point is probably that people should be seeking empowerment somewhere deeper.

after all let's face it, that airstrip is going to get worn out and need resurfacing eventually... hell, they might even curb low cost air travel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>like Cliff in a way, i was questioning what&#8217;s empowering for someone, irrespective of their sex, about touting their wares in such a manner.</p>
<p>my point is probably that people should be seeking empowerment somewhere deeper.</p>
<p>after all let&#8217;s face it, that airstrip is going to get worn out and need resurfacing eventually&#8230; hell, they might even curb low cost air travel.
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		<title>by: Ed R</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2780</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I blame Madonna.
ANd just so I don't get attacked for not blaming a male, throw Springsteen  in there too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blame Madonna.<br />
ANd just so I don&#8217;t get attacked for not blaming a male, throw Springsteen  in there too.
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		<title>by: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2778</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Mel, not at all. Men and women I think should not go on about how male or female they are, in my view. 

My point was not to criticise either sex. It's the droning on and on about sexuality that I find boring from either sex, and in the case of young pop female singers over the last year and a bit, that's all they seem to do. 

Male rappers are just as annoying. &quot;Ah, riiight, so you have a &lt;i&gt;penis&lt;/i&gt;? Excellent. Well done you. &lt;i&gt;Snap&lt;/i&gt;, in fact.&quot;

But maybe that's just me getting old. I don't know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mel, not at all. Men and women I think should not go on about how male or female they are, in my view. </p>
<p>My point was not to criticise either sex. It&#8217;s the droning on and on about sexuality that I find boring from either sex, and in the case of young pop female singers over the last year and a bit, that&#8217;s all they seem to do. </p>
<p>Male rappers are just as annoying. &#8220;Ah, riiight, so you have a <i>penis</i>? Excellent. Well done you. <i>Snap</i>, in fact.&#8221;</p>
<p>But maybe that&#8217;s just me getting old. I don&#8217;t know.
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		<title>by: Mel</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2777</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I can see when I'm outnumbered.
I didn't realise this was a working men's club, should I tell a joke about women and how rubbish they are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see when I&#8217;m outnumbered.<br />
I didn&#8217;t realise this was a working men&#8217;s club, should I tell a joke about women and how rubbish they are?
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		<title>by: Ed R</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2773</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>OW! STOP THAT!
DAngit, that's gonna leave a mark!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OW! STOP THAT!<br />
DAngit, that&#8217;s gonna leave a mark!
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		<title>by: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2771</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Mel - They are probably a mixture of both - nasty puppets.

Ed - You mean like ... THIS!!!!!!!!?

Meester - I've just got what that means. They should have stuck in a line about &quot;getcha boody doody free&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mel - They are probably a mixture of both - nasty puppets.</p>
<p>Ed - You mean like &#8230; THIS!!!!!!!!?</p>
<p>Meester - I&#8217;ve just got what that means. They should have stuck in a line about &#8220;getcha boody doody free&#8221;
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		<title>by: meesteryan</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2770</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Got such a pretty kitty, boy I know you want to pet it.&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;I’ve got a landing strip clear for you at the airport.&lt;/i&gt; is that really empowering? i don't think i'd find writing lines of innuendo about any part of me empowering. maybe i'm an old meesterfuddyduddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Got such a pretty kitty, boy I know you want to pet it.</i>, <i>I’ve got a landing strip clear for you at the airport.</i> is that really empowering? i don&#8217;t think i&#8217;d find writing lines of innuendo about any part of me empowering. maybe i&#8217;m an old meesterfuddyduddy.
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		<title>by: Ed R</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2769</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jeez. I can't say anything without having it twisted into a sharp letahl instrument and flung back at me at high speed can I? 
Guys have it so easy nowadays. Sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez. I can&#8217;t say anything without having it twisted into a sharp letahl instrument and flung back at me at high speed can I?<br />
Guys have it so easy nowadays. Sheesh.
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		<title>by: Mel</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2768</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Mysogonists rule eh?

So if they wrote the lines themselves, they're nasty, and if someone wrote them for them, then they're puppets.

Girls have it so easy nowadays...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mysogonists rule eh?</p>
<p>So if they wrote the lines themselves, they&#8217;re nasty, and if someone wrote them for them, then they&#8217;re puppets.</p>
<p>Girls have it so easy nowadays&#8230;
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		<title>by: Ed R</title>
		<link>http://www.thisisthis.org/2006/11/15/bringing-sexy-back/#comment-2767</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I suspect that most of them never gave much thought to what they were singing and didn't know what half of it meant anyway. And then there were some that knew what it meant and played the image of the innocent up anyway. I don't knwo what to think of that, but I do know I don't like being manipulated, and that's certainly a form of manipulation.

I'm glad these girls weren't popular when I was young. Sade and Olivia and Patti Labelle were risque enough.
Joan Jett and the Runaways rocked, though. Did you know the drummer died very recently?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that most of them never gave much thought to what they were singing and didn&#8217;t know what half of it meant anyway. And then there were some that knew what it meant and played the image of the innocent up anyway. I don&#8217;t knwo what to think of that, but I do know I don&#8217;t like being manipulated, and that&#8217;s certainly a form of manipulation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad these girls weren&#8217;t popular when I was young. Sade and Olivia and Patti Labelle were risque enough.<br />
Joan Jett and the Runaways rocked, though. Did you know the drummer died very recently?
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